Upgrades to improve towing capabilities?

[jabroni619]

Tow capacity for a loaded raptor vs base raptor is exactly the same. It's the payload that suffers as you start adding options.

You make some excellent points but to say that the maximum is now 7800 because he has a loaded Raptor isn't on of them. That's nonsense and isn't supported by any of Ford's literature.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

Tow capacity for a loaded raptor vs base raptor is exactly the same. It's the payload that suffers as you start adding options.

You make some excellent points but to say that the maximum is now 7800 because he has a loaded Raptor isn't on of them. That's nonsense and isn't supported by any of Ford's literature.

Go to the Ford towing guide and read the Fine print. It does in fact say options reduce payload and towing.

You can't put the max load inside a vehicle and THEN tow max.

Last page of towing guide states the elevation guide lines also.

The towing guide doesn't say "raptor" is says 3.5 HO, 4:10 gear, 145" wheel base. THAT is a Raptor.

The Raptor is not some special alien made vehicle that weight, gravity and wind resistance have NO affect on. All the same laws of physics and thermodynamics apply to Raptor. The sole reason the Raptors Max towing capacity is so far below the regular F150 is because of its suspension package, which includes the large sidewall tires.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

Let's start posting payload sticker from our door jambs. Payload will go down with options, that is a fact and has been discussed many times here.

GVWR will stay that same as that is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. Basically what the frame can handle.

You can't add a 150lbs sun roof, 200 lbs pro-power on demand and not expect it to change the payload capacity. Which in turn changes the towing capacity (albeit not necessarily on a pound for pound basis like it does payload)

Again you can't load 1400 lbs in the bed and then tow 8200lbs at 12,000 ft elevation.

 

[jabroni619]

Go to the Ford towing guide and read the Fine print. It does in fact say options reduce payload and towing.

You can't put the max load inside a vehicle and THEN tow max.

Last page of towing guide states the elevation guide lines also.

The towing guide doesn't say "raptor" is says 3.5 HO, 4:10 gear, 145" wheel base. THAT is a Raptor.

The Raptor is not some special alien made vehicle that weight, gravity and wind resistance have NO affect on. All the same laws of physics and thermodynamics apply to Raptor. The sole reason the Raptors Max towing capacity is so far below the regular F150 is because of its suspension.

You can max tow as long as your payload isn't exceeded. If you reach your payload before you hit your max tow, then yeah you're limited. That was not your initial claim though, perhaps that's what you intended if so, it was poorly communicated.

Now you're bringing in altitude into the equation. Which you also didn't do originally.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

You can max tow as long as your payload isn't exceeded. If you reach your payload before you hit your max tow, then yeah you're limited. That was not your initial claim though, perhaps that's what you intended if so, it was poorly communicated.

Now you're bringing in altitude into the equation. Which you also didn't do originally.

Yes I did, I gave the exact mathematical equation for his altitude.

You need to go back and actually read my entire post, and read the Ford towing guide before you come back and comment again

 

[jabroni619]

Yes I did, I gave the exact mathematical equation for his altitude.

You need to go back and actually read my entire post, and read the Ford towing guide before you come back and comment again

My mistake on the altitude, but i still don't see what you're talking about as far as max towing being reduced when you add options. Payload yes, but every spec raptor I see has the same tow rating provided you're not comparing SCREW to SCAB which isn't a thing on Gen 3's anyway.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

You can max tow as long as your payload isn't exceeded. If you reach your payload before you hit your max tow, then yeah you're limited. That was not your initial claim though, perhaps that's what you intended if so, it was poorly communicated.

Now you're bringing in altitude into the equation. Which you also didn't do originally.

Options DECREASE your payload, which also DECREASES your towing capacity.

Infact a 4x2 truck will always have a higher tow capacity because it is not pushing a heavy front axle around.. yet the payload capacity will not be reduced by the total weight of the 4x4 system but only slightly more that that of the transfercase because the axle is unsprung weight and is not. putting extra weight on the chassis/frame.

The tow rating will drop the entire amount of the 4x4 syatem.

 

[jabroni619]

Options DECREASE your payload, which also DECREASES your towing capacity.

Infact a 4x2 truck will always have a higher tow capacity because it is not pushing a heavy front axle around.. yet the payload capacity will not be reduced by the total weight of the 4x4 system but only slightly more that that of the transfercase because the axle is unsprung weight and is not. putting extra weight on the chassis/frame.

The tow rating will drop the entire amount of the 4x4 syatem.

Lets say you have a payload of 1200lbs and a tow rating of 8500 lbs. With 10% tongue weight (850lbs) you can tow 8500lbs and still have 350lbs of payload left. That's 350lbs you can laden the truck with and still pull max weight.

Also, the payload sticker on the door jamb takes into account all the options you got from the factory.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

My mistake on the altitude, but i still don't see what you're talking about as far as max towing being reduced when you add options. Payload yes, but every spec raptor I see has the same tow rating provided you're not comparing SCREW to SCAB which isn't a thing on Gen 3's anyway.

With all the possible ways to option/configure an F150 the towing guide would be 100 pages or more.

They give, engine, gear ratio and wheel base. After that it is up to you to read the Fine print.

You agree options reduce payload, but you don't think they reduce towing capacity. How is that even possible. If MAX is actually MAX that is.

 

[jabroni619]

With all the possible ways to option/configure an F150 the towing guide would be 100 pages or more.

They give, engine, gear ratio and wheel base. After that it is up to you to read the Fine print.

You agree options reduce payload, but you don't think they reduce towing capacity. How is that even possible. If MAX is actually MAX that is.

I just gave you a scenario above. Adding options CAN reduce max towing if you don't have enough payload left to configure a safe tongue weight, but that's on a case by case basis. It's hardly a given that your max tow will be reduced. If you can dial in 10% tongue weight and not exceed payload, you can pull it safely and legally.