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<blockquote data-quote="JimIII@JDM" data-source="post: 980096" data-attributes="member: 736"><p>I'm not sure the numbers, MTF seems to know he should share. But we did ask Mike at Whipple as to who sells the most Raptor kits and he said we have sold over the past 5 years more than any other shop combine...</p><p></p><p>My guesstimate at 50 is probably low, but I was more making a point that our combination is out there more in volume than Whipple's. They just released there Stage 2 kit with the 60lb injectors and bigger TB because up until recently they had issues with it. We field phone calls everyday for Raptor tuning, all sorts of combinations. When we get calls for Whipple trucks with 60lb injectors which does happen every week we switch them out to 47#s and our tune and every customer has been more satisfied with our combinations. </p><p></p><p>The quality of 91-93 octane is not that great at power levels over 550 RWHP. We are concerned about detonation at that point. The factory oil pump gears are also fragile and can break. Usually they don't break as a result of power but more from drive-train vibrations ie. tire chatter and wheel hop. But when making about 700HP and 700TQ at the engine (550 RWHP) your not exactly taking it easy on the powdered metal gears either....The Rods and pistons are not forged and for that reason we also take concern. Your fuel system is also close to its limits. The fuel pump is inadequate at that point. </p><p></p><p>Yes Whipple does have their own in house calibrator who knows a ton about Ford tuning. Their files for the new 15 Mustangs are really what we recommend our customers use as we are still developing our own tuning and from what we can see there tuning is pretty awesome. But they aren't spending new R&D time on the Raptor. Their R&D goes towards new products, kits for other brand vehicles besides Ford even. So they aren't still working every day in the shop on Raptor trucks like we are! We've been doing that for the past 5 years and that's why I'm not afraid to say we are the best at it!</p><p></p><p>JimIII</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JimIII@JDM, post: 980096, member: 736"] I'm not sure the numbers, MTF seems to know he should share. But we did ask Mike at Whipple as to who sells the most Raptor kits and he said we have sold over the past 5 years more than any other shop combine... My guesstimate at 50 is probably low, but I was more making a point that our combination is out there more in volume than Whipple's. They just released there Stage 2 kit with the 60lb injectors and bigger TB because up until recently they had issues with it. We field phone calls everyday for Raptor tuning, all sorts of combinations. When we get calls for Whipple trucks with 60lb injectors which does happen every week we switch them out to 47#s and our tune and every customer has been more satisfied with our combinations. The quality of 91-93 octane is not that great at power levels over 550 RWHP. We are concerned about detonation at that point. The factory oil pump gears are also fragile and can break. Usually they don't break as a result of power but more from drive-train vibrations ie. tire chatter and wheel hop. But when making about 700HP and 700TQ at the engine (550 RWHP) your not exactly taking it easy on the powdered metal gears either....The Rods and pistons are not forged and for that reason we also take concern. Your fuel system is also close to its limits. The fuel pump is inadequate at that point. Yes Whipple does have their own in house calibrator who knows a ton about Ford tuning. Their files for the new 15 Mustangs are really what we recommend our customers use as we are still developing our own tuning and from what we can see there tuning is pretty awesome. But they aren't spending new R&D time on the Raptor. Their R&D goes towards new products, kits for other brand vehicles besides Ford even. So they aren't still working every day in the shop on Raptor trucks like we are! We've been doing that for the past 5 years and that's why I'm not afraid to say we are the best at it! JimIII [/QUOTE]
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