Uh... Gas Cans + Bed Liner = Kaboom?

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A coworker and I were talking about how *****'d California is with its gas can requirements. He mentioned something that caught me by surprise, and I thought I'd ask you guys.

He said that "gas cans" rubbing on a plastic bed liner will cause static electricity to build up, which of course is a real bad thing around gas fumes.

Anyone know if this is true? Any further info or (hopefully not) experience? Which bed liner materials are a bad idea? Plasic drop ins, BedRugs, rubber mats, LineX?
 
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Right. We've talked a lot about the cans themselves, but we've never really talked about how to carry them. The shaking is going to be true no matter what can you buy, so are we 'ok' to carry them in the bed? Or is that not a good idear?

(I'm with B though; so far so good. Still... its worth talking about if there's a potential problem here)
 

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A coworker and I were talking about how *****'d California is with its gas can requirements. He mentioned something that caught me by surprise, and I thought I'd ask you guys.

He said that "gas cans" rubbing on a plastic bed liner will cause static electricity to build up, which of course is a real bad thing around gas fumes.

Anyone know if this is true? Any further info or (hopefully not) experience? Which bed liner materials are a bad idea? Plasic drop ins, BedRugs, rubber mats, LineX?

J,

The static electricity issue is true. This is why they always tell you to set the cans on the ground before you fill them at the gas station. It allows a natural ground to occur to discharge any buildup of static. There are a few horror stories around of people filling cans in the back of their trucks and it catching fire because of the spark from the static electricity buildup. I am not an engineer and cannot explain the science but it is true. I have had plastic bedliners, line-x and other products most of my life and always place the containers on the ground prior to filling and have never had a problem. "Let's be careful out there.":cactus::cactus::cactus:
 
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Good advise Dawg. Thanks, and will do.

What about carrying them around full back there? Any concern going off road with em rubbing? :bananadead:
 

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Good advise Dawg. Thanks, and will do.

What about carrying them around full back there? Any concern going off road with em rubbing? :bananadead:

Its the its pressure from the vapors building up as they shake. Carry them in the bed is the safest place to carry them inside the cab is dangerous because of the vapors.
 

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Great topic!

Brian hit the nail on the head so that means he's been paying attention which is always a good thing. :thumbsup:

And Frank The Tank is right about the danger of the vapors.

I've done some checking online and found this CDC related web site which addresses filling the cans: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hid2.html

Here's some text from that webpage:

In recent incidents reported to the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), fires spontaneously ignited when workers or others attempted to fill portable gasoline containers (gas cans) in the backs of pickup trucks equipped with plastic bed liners or in cars with carpeted surfaces. Serious skin burns and other injuries resulted. Similar incidents in the last few years have resulted in warning bulletins from several private and government organizations.

These fires result from the buildup of static electricity. The insulating effect of the bed liner or carpet prevents the static charge generated by gasoline flowing into the container or other sources from grounding. The discharge of this buildup to the grounded gasoline dispenser nozzle may cause a spark and ignite the gasoline. Both ungrounded metal (most hazardous) and plastic gas containers have been involved in these incidents.

Prevention:

Construction workers and others in small businesses who often work with gasoline-powered equipment commonly use portable gasoline containers. Homeowners use gasoline cans for their lawnmowers and other equipment.

Avoid the hazardous practice of leaving the portable gasoline containers in pickup trucks or cars when refueling!

Before filling, always remove the containers from the vehicle and place them on the ground at a safe distance from the vehicle (provides path to dissipate static charge to ground).

Touch the container with the gas dispenser nozzle before removing the container lid (provides another path to dissipate static charge to ground).

Keep the nozzle in contact with the container inlet when filling (to dissipate static charge buildup from flow of gasoline).

Additional measures for prevention include the following:

Manufacturers or retailers: Place a hazard label on all plastic liners being sold warning workers not to fill portable gas containers in the bed liner of the truck but always to place the containers on the ground before filling.

Gas stations: Display a warning notice near gas pumps to place all portable gas containers on the ground before filling.

States: Provide a warning notification to owners and users when new vehicles are licensed or when license plates are renewed.

Manufacturers: Build bed liners that can be grounded to the metal truck bed, thereby dissipating potential electrostatic charge.



The concern now is carrying the containers in the truck and any discharge of static electricity around the container (such as when sliding the container prior to lifting it out of the bed).

Note that the webpage says, "the insulating effect of the bed liner or carpet prevents the static charge generated by gasoline flowing into the container or other sources from grounding."

I wonder if any static charge built up by our bodies could discharge to the containers when we handle them although I suspect it won't because the container is insulated.

Certainly it's a good idea to first ground oneself to the truck body before touching the gas cans.

I called CDC (!!!) about this and the contact on the phone had to research it. They weren't able to find any information in regard to that concern and they directed me to the US Consumer Safety Commission hotline and they suggested I contact the container manufacturer. I think a call to a gas company hotline would probably be the next step (Shell, Exxon/Texaco, etc.)
 

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What I get from this is ALWAYS GROUND YOURSELF BEFORE handling a gas container to discharge any static that has been built up.

If you're going to pour gasoline into the truck you'll probably ground yourself a couple/three times to the Raptor before actually pouring so that's a good thing.
 

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All I know is I drove around with a gas can full for a year due to a broken gas gauge. Now I think static could be an issue...that is what happens with those gas stations blowing up. The driver set the gas handle to auto fill and jumps back in their vehicle. They then build up static electricty exiting the vehicle rubbing against the seat.
 
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