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WARNING To Anyone Thinking About Getting A Whipple CAI


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I agree with Mr Whipple... at least in part. One... their tune, I'm certain, isn't a joke. It's a great ...


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Old 09-12-2017, 10:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree with Mr Whipple... at least in part.

One... their tune, I'm certain, isn't a joke.
It's a great tune for the average Joe who doesn't have the background knowledge necessary to safeguard their engine. It's factory reliable and idiot proof.

It's not the right tune for me. I'm an enthusiast and have a reasonably intermediate to more advanced level of engine and tuning knowledge. I want the MPT tune because I know how to take care of my truck and not tow without a tow tune flashed.

I wouldn't knock Whipple just like I wouldn't knock MPT. You are comparing apples to oranges.

For my purposes, MPT can't be beat. But for average Joe Shmoe... Whipple is s safe option... it's Just not the fastest one.


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Sorry to hear, but all aftermarket CAI systems will set the same code, it's not isolated to one version. This is due to new calibration logic for more accurately detecting air leaks. Our website states *Custom tuning may be required, so we do notify the customer. Any return has to go through the purchasing dealer, not direct to us as we didn't take your order.

Our Stage 1 system is 50-state legal so there are no real drawbacks to doing the full upgrade. Our cal is a Ford recognized cal that the dealer can't flash over and will diagnose like normal.

Your actuator issue has nothing to do with the CAI. It sets the code, but there isn't a leak so fueling, spark, etc are all maintained just like stock.

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Sorry, but this is not actually accurate. Have you tested our 50-state legal calibration? Have you been part of any durability testing where they actually maintain heavy load, up a grade, in high temps, on questionable 91 octane fuel? Sorry but no other aftermarket company can test the safety area's. MPT does a great job, make great power but its not actually legal in any state, nor would it ever pass a true durability test.
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Originally Posted by Whipple Charged View Post
Sorry to hear, but all aftermarket CAI systems will set the same code, it's not isolated to one version. This is due to new calibration logic for more accurately detecting air leaks. .
This is not true. S&B CAI does not throw any codes.
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Originally Posted by K1llD4shN1n3 View Post
Weird my AFE CAI w/ Borla S-Type has been has been fine so far knock on wood. I did disconnect the battery before installing the CAI per instructions not sure if/how that would make a difference.


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AFE will as well, we tested multiple versions of intakes and all set codes in certain driving cycles. You can insert an aluminum tube into the factory plastic hole on the crank case sensor, this slows the airspeed down, numbing the sensor so to speak, but will still eventually set. Disconnecting the battery just resets all the adaptives but won't change this.

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This is not true. S&B CAI does not throw any codes.
Tested it and it does, again, it comes down to the drive cycle and when the PCM performs the test. If it flows more air than stock, it will eventually set a code.
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In other words, stay stock.
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Originally Posted by MTF View Post
Having two blown waste gate actuator motor sounds a little strange.

And, aftermarket CAI is a major mod as far as Tune calibration values are concerned, so is a complete cat-back exhaust.
A filter swap and just a muffler is minor, wouldn't need a Tune for that.
If you don't want to Tune, then stay away from engine performance mods.

Just out of curiosity, did you disconnect the battery to force a new learning cycle before starting and driving?
Without doing that the PCM would read values far outside what it had learned earlier from the previous drive.

But I will say Whipple should update and add a Tune is highly recommended. I'll give you that.
I guess Whipple didn't count on people just buying their CAI.
I pretty sure you can sell it here, put it up for sale on the sell forum thread, only thing is you need 50 posts before you can make a thread in there.
Thank you for your input. I had no idea that a CAI was considered a major mod. I definitely would not have done it I had known that. I want my Raptor to be RELIABLE....

I bought it from ADD & their website said nothing about needing a tune. In fact, my contact at ADD (Cole) stated that he knew nothing about a tune being needed.

I did disconnect the battery and left it that way for 5 minutes before driving it.

I will definitely put it up for sale once I get enough posts.... Been a lurker for years & love this site.
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FWIW and it's likely not much, I will never again run a CAI on any of my vehicles. Too many issues and concerns for me to consider such an add-on.
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Yeah, it wouldn't be if the PCM and all the sensors weren't there.
But this is the way it is now.

It was like that with the Gen 1, until a properly calibrated Tune was installed.
It will come for the 3.5L, once SCT has a platform you will see much cheaper and better Tunes come out.

Also 5 minutes is not enough time, 15 to 20 minutes is more like it.
But as Whipple mentioned it would only pop up again, so a Tune would be necessary.
If I were in your shoes I would hold out and see what comes out from Whipple you may what to keep that CAI just incase.
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Originally Posted by WhatExit? View Post
I'm interested to learn more about Whipple and ADD's responses to your claims for their customer service and support.

If what you're saying is true (and there's no evidence of that) then one or both companies should be responsible for making good on your purchase.
I really don't have a reason to lie. But, there is a recap below:

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Hi Cole-

Got it and installed it last night.

This morning on the way to work I got a check engine light and a wrench light? Have you heard about anyone else having this problem?

Thx,

Dave

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I have not, we have the air intake on our shop truck & havent had any issues. Have someone see what codes are popping up & we can go from there.

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Hi Cole-

I got the following response from Whipple:

"The truck will need to be tuned. It should run fine with no issues (except the wrench light). The PCM thinks it is an air leak. You can have it tuned local or you can send the PCM in to us ane we can do the cal for $720 plus freight."

I had no idea that a tune was required. I do not want to tune my truck. I had a lightning that was tuned and it was a constant headache for me.

I will be putting the stock parts back on. If you know anyone that wants a slightly used CAI please let me know.

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Hi Cole-

Can you please check with Whipple to see if I can return this?

The more that I think about it, I don't think that it is fair that I get stuck with it because of their lack of communication. I definitely wouldn't have bought it if I had known that it only works on "tuned" trucks.

Also, I had to take my truck to the shop because of all of the codes this thing caused. I had to leave it there on Friday and they won't even be able to look at it until Tuesday at the earliest.

This really has become a major issue for me.

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They said they will not take it back since its already installed. I spoke with Mike over there. He said he is going to see if their is something they can do.

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Hi Cole-

Any luck with Mike?

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Mike hasnt been responding to me.

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Why not wait till you call ADD tomorrow, before burning bridges.


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Originally Posted by Whipple Charged View Post
Sorry to hear, but all aftermarket CAI systems will set the same code, it's not isolated to one version. This is due to new calibration logic for more accurately detecting air leaks. Our website states *Custom tuning may be required, so we do notify the customer. Any return has to go through the purchasing dealer, not direct to us as we didn't take your order.

Our Stage 1 system is 50-state legal so there are no real drawbacks to doing the full upgrade. Our cal is a Ford recognized cal that the dealer can't flash over and will diagnose like normal.

Your actuator issue has nothing to do with the CAI. It sets the code, but there isn't a leak so fueling, spark, etc are all maintained just like stock.

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Sorry, but this is not actually accurate. Have you tested our 50-state legal calibration? Have you been part of any durability testing where they actually maintain heavy load, up a grade, in high temps, on questionable 91 octane fuel? Sorry but no other aftermarket company can test the safety area's. MPT does a great job, make great power but its not actually legal in any state, nor would it ever pass a true durability test.
I purchased the product from ADD, and it was shipped directly from Whipple? ADD said that Whipple said that it couldn't be returned since it had been installed. However, there was nothing on ADD's website about it requiring a tune, and my contact at ADD said that they were not informed that a tune was required.

Not 100% sure that the CAI caused my problems, however, they all started within 1 minute of me installing the CAI.... My truck is still in the shop almost 2 weeks later. Not only am I out the cost of the CAI, but I am ~ $700 deep into a rental car. Not too happy right now.

However, I will say that I was impressed with the unit. It was very well made.

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Why not wait till you call ADD tomorrow, before burning bridges.
I already tried.... ADD said that Whipple would not take it back since it was already installed. They said that they spoke with Mike at Whipple and he said that he was going to see if there was something that he could do. When ADD tried calling him back he didn't respond. I waited 7 days....

I am actually not upset with ADD.... Cole was a really good guy. I have their bumpers (front & back) & I love them. ADD claims that Whipple never told them that their CAI would only work on a tuned truck.
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