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Opinions:. Whipple stage I


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Whipple has a very long history with Ford. Betting they have access to information and ECU's that most "tuners" do not.
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Defiantly in for this, yeah starting to wonder about the 5* claim now.


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Originally Posted by WarSurfer View Post
This is in the G2 section.



5star is claiming 416rwhp on a stock (over 2k mile) eco



Whipple is saying that with their intake, IC and tune they get 400rwhp.



I'm going to go out on a limb and say Whipple, being an industry leader, is WAY better at tuning than 5* and he's claiming 470rwhp tune only.

Edit: language. I was fired up about work, lol
I was replying to cwbrown as the link was for the gen2 and does not have a super charger. Also when I called they said they had no plans on compound boost as they only want to deal with stock internals. Btw if it isn't clear I have a gen 2

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Whipple has a very long history with Ford. Betting they have access to information and ECU's that most "tuners" do not.
The rep at Whipple said the guy that reflashes the PCM is a Ford engineer.
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Originally Posted by pinoybruin View Post
The rep at Whipple said the guy that reflashes the PCM is a Ford engineer
To answer a prior question, yes your warranty runs the risk of being voided

When you tune, upgrade, etc it's all pay to play and go into it knowing the risks

Only Ford's tune - if it ever comes out - will keep the true factory warranty - but will likely be a very modest tune
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Originally Posted by WarSurfer View Post
Am I the only one that sees this and wonders if those numbers from 5* are complete bullshit?
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This is in the G2 section.



5star is claiming 416rwhp on a stock (over 2k mile) eco



Whipple is saying that with their intake, IC and tune they get 400rwhp.



I'm going to go out on a limb and say Whipple, being an industry leader, is WAY better at tuning than 5* and he's claiming 470rwhp tune only.

Edit: language. I was fired up about work, lol
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any power number claims from whipple? Other than gains....

The Dyno sheets on their website On the raptor page are labeled as being from a 2.3l mustang....


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Originally Posted by Crashking View Post
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any power number claims from whipple? Other than gains....



The Dyno sheets on their website On the raptor page are labeled as being from a 2.3l mustang....


I saw that it said mustang under the dyno sheet but those numbers can't be for a mustang. They are 310hp at the crank.

Also, the power numbers are in the description:

The stage 1 systems couples the Whipple Mega Cooler, roto molded high velocity cold air intake and industry leading custom calibration to make an amazing 150* foot pounds of torque and 80* horsepower more than stock. Even better, at 4000rpm, the system produces over 220 foot pounds of torque over stock giving more power under the curve for incredible throttle response.
The text matches the sheet.
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Originally Posted by WarSurfer View Post
I saw that it said mustang under the dyno sheet but those numbers can't be for a mustang. They are 310hp at the crank.

Also, the power numbers are in the description:



The text matches the sheet.
Those numbers can't be for the 3.5... those are for the 4cyl ecoboost motor...

The 4cyl is rated for 310 hp and 320 tq... so that dyno sheet is pretty much on par for the 4cyl
Ecoboost motor. Plus there's no 150 ft lb gain on the torque side

I saw the gain numbers in their description, not actual numbers that got put down.


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Originally Posted by Crashking View Post
Those numbers can't be for the 3.5... those are for the 4cyl ecoboost motor...

The 4cyl is rated for 310 hp and 320 tq... so that dyno sheet is pretty much on par for the 4cyl
Ecoboost motor. Plus there's no 150 ft lb gain on the torque side

I saw the gain numbers in their description, not actual numbers that got put down.


I'm on my phone so I can't make out the numbers on the side but I believe you.

I still don't see how parasitic loss dropped from roughly 20% to ~8% which is the only way a stock 17 put 416 at the wheels. The ZL1, which has the same 10spd is showing ~15% loss and it's not driving a transfer case or 35s.

Magic I say, pure magic.


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Originally Posted by WarSurfer View Post
I'm on my phone so I can't make out the numbers on the side but I believe you.

I still don't see how parasitic loss dropped from roughly 20% to ~8% which is the only way a stock 17 put 416 at the wheels. The ZL1, which has the same 10spd is showing ~15% loss and it's not driving a transfer case or 35s.

Magic I say, pure magic.


Something is up I think, we will get the usual things like altitude, temp etc.

The only way to find out is to get the mods and go to a dyno. If your numbers are way low they will defer to the above.


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Originally Posted by WarSurfer View Post
I'm on my phone so I can't make out the numbers on the side but I believe you.

I still don't see how parasitic loss dropped from roughly 20% to ~8% which is the only way a stock 17 put 416 at the wheels. The ZL1, which has the same 10spd is showing ~15% loss and it's not driving a transfer case or 35s.

Magic I say, pure magic.

Unless ford underrated the engine..... lol


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