Chipwerke for 2017 Ecoboost

Chris@FreedomMotorsports · Nov 27, 2017

paulny said:
I just sent my Chipwerke back unfortunately.

Did you contact anyone for a return authorization number and information?

paulny · Nov 27, 2017

KryptosXLayer2 said:
Hoping to have more details on this very question I've asked a few times already soon!

So.... Chipwerke recommends 3-5 days for the truck as a whole to learn the upgrade and you send it back after one day? Didn't give it enough time to work through? Did you speak with them before you sent it back to see what they said about it?

I did not speak to Chipwerke about my issues, but I have spoken to one forum member personally and have read numerous posts from others that are still having this issue after installing it weeks ago. Granted, some who are running it may be fine with the way the engine/tranny reacts to the tune, but personally I did not like the way it caused my engine to hesitate, sputter, buck, and have rough tranny shifts. I would have been more patient if other forum members were posting that these symptoms went away after 3-5 days, but again several have stated that the problems still exist after several weeks. Respectfully, I think the chip needs some work and maybe was brought to the table too quickly? Ironically, it does get good reviews over in the Audi and BMW forums. Nonetheless, I am happy with my pedal commander and stock tune for now :biggrin:

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Chris@FreedomMotorsports said:
Did you contact anyone for a return authorization number and information?

I sure did Chris, and mailed it back today for a full refund.

KryptosXLayer2 · Nov 27, 2017

Smokeshow60 said:
Your trucks learning cycle is about 20 miles max if you use the proper procedures. I.e. combining regular driving and WOT hits along with different mode selections.

I'm certainly not familiar enough with this ECU to discredit anything you said, so I'm not arguing with you, but I know that in the past, learning ECU's had to have their capacitors fully discharged by pulling the positive cable, burning the headlights for about 10 mins, and then re-learned. Does this mean that EVERY 20 miles, the ECU re-learns?

Considering I drive for work, have have put on 7K miles in the 6 weeks I've owned the truck, some days are just going from point A to point B, and then coming home I give it hell, hopefully that means the truck is able to "correct" it's behavior fast enough to know that the 4-500 mile round trip during the day was normal driving and Sport Mode with WOT hits within the city are times to give it full power. Is that how this ECU works? If so, 3-5 days of driving shouldn't be necessary, but maybe that's what it takes to fully understand the upgrade, I don't know....

Chris@FreedomMotorsports · Nov 27, 2017

pjones said:
Are you sure about this? The products are more than similar. Both products use the STM8S10 micro controller, identical MCP6004 op-amp, 78L05B voltage regulator. From the pictures, I can’t tell if the other components are the same but it looks like identical. The controls are also identical, along with how they are identified on the pcb.

If they are not the same product, one of them should probably find a lawyer.

As for the internal parts, IDK. I know very little about that and cannot speak to that. That is above my pay grade.

Deleted member 12951 · Nov 27, 2017

paulny said:
I sure did Chris, and mailed it back today for a full refund.

A full refund?

According to their website, you have to pay to ship it back and you are not refunded what they actually paid to ship it to you plus there is a 10% restocking fee. And if installed, no refund under any condition.

https://www.chipwerke.com/terms-and-conditions/

Who at Chipwerke did the refund for you?

paulny · Nov 27, 2017

RDFTS said:
A full refund?

According to their website, you have to pay to ship it back and you are not refunded what they actually paid to ship it to you plus there is a 10% restocking fee. And if installed, no refund under any condition.

https://www.chipwerke.com/terms-and-conditions/

Who at Chipwerke did the refund for you?

I did not purchase through Chipwerke, but another vendor. However, you're correct in that I did have to pay the $9 to ship it back but am getting a 100% refund for the purchase price.

Smokeshow60 · Nov 27, 2017

KryptosXLayer2 said:
I'm certainly not familiar enough with this ECU to discredit anything you said, so I'm not arguing with you, but I know that in the past, learning ECU's had to have their capacitors fully discharged by pulling the positive cable, burning the headlights for about 10 mins, and then re-learned. Does this mean that EVERY 20 miles, the ECU re-learns?

Considering I drive for work, have have put on 7K miles in the 6 weeks I've owned the truck, some days are just going from point A to point B, and then coming home I give it hell, hopefully that means the truck is able to "correct" it's behavior fast enough to know that the 4-500 mile round trip during the day was normal driving and Sport Mode with WOT hits within the city are times to give it full power. Is that how this ECU works? If so, 3-5 days of driving shouldn't be necessary, but maybe that's what it takes to fully understand the upgrade, I don't know....

Yes. What I'm saying is that adaptive strategy programming is in fact constantly learning and adapting to your driving habits. This is really most noticeable in transmission programming. But it's really all the same. If you drive consistently one way for a period of time then drastically change that "style " the computer will adapt to that style. And so on. All of this is stored in the KAM (keep alive memory ) which btw can no longer be reset by disconnecting the battery

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RDFTS said:
A full refund?

According to their website, you have to pay to ship it back and you are not refunded what they actually paid to ship it to you plus there is a 10% restocking fee. And if installed, no refund under any condition.

https://www.chipwerke.com/terms-and-conditions/

Who at Chipwerke did the refund for you?

This is as much proof as I need to deduct that this product is a scam.

solarwinds · Nov 27, 2017

pjones · Nov 27, 2017

Here is the PCB of both products. The firmware on it might be a little different, but from what I can tell, it’s just a branded product from RaceChip. I have used piggy backs before, but they had more info to work with—rpm, ait, map, etc but in this case, there is only a single input and output—pressure sensor for boost, so it is relying completely on the ecu to deal with more air. How well does it do it? Is it running too lean? When you are wot, does it go into open loop maps? If so, you do run the risk of running your engine too lean.

The Bosch MED17 TC-277 ecu in the Raptor is pretty complicated, if you intend on doing more than a few burnouts at Starbucks, I’d highly recommend a little data logging and some dyno pulls to get a better understanding of how your engine is working with this product.

I haven’t tried the product, and don’t know how well it does or does not work, but having used these type of products when ecu tuning wasn’t possible, I am always a little worried about how they work.

OPT PRIME · Nov 27, 2017

solarwinds said:
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ChipTwerke?

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pjones said:
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Here is the PCB of both products. The firmware on it might be a little different, but from what I can tell, it’s just a branded product from RaceChip. I have used piggy backs before, but they had more info to work with—rpm, ait, map, etc but in this case, there is only a single input and output—pressure sensor for boost, so it is relying completely on the ecu to deal with more air. How well does it do it? Is it running too lean? When you are wot, does it go into open loop maps? If so, you do run the risk of running your engine too lean.

The Bosch MED17 TC-277 ecu in the Raptor is pretty complicated, if you intend on doing more than a few burnouts at Starbucks, I’d highly recommend a little data logging and some dyno pulls to get a better understanding of how your engine is working with this product.

I haven’t tried the product, and don’t know how well it does or does not work, but having used these type of products when ecu tuning wasn’t possible, I am always a little worried about how they work.

THIS THIS THIS!! Excellent.

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