Chipwerke for 2017 Ecoboost

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Has anyone ran this and an AFE Scorcher (Not at the same time)? Does one seem to make more power than the other?
 

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When a dealership does any kind of work or repair, they run a scan on the vehicle’s computer to see if anything has been changed. Other aftermarket tuners and programmers will leave “flags” on the ECU after they’ve been installed, and will remain even after they’ve been removed. These digital footprints are what cause the dealership to void any kind of claim or maintenance program.

Since Pedal Commander and Chipwerke don’t leave any flags on the ECU, that basically means its invisible/untraceable… unless you’re mounting it in obvious view. In that event, every dealership is different in what they’ll notate or take notice of. I’ve seen a dealership void a warranty over someone running a tire slightly larger than one the one that came on his truck, and then I’ve seen others that completely ignored a custom full suspension system.

On my own truck, I leave the Pedal Commander plugged in, but I turn it off and tuck it out of sight any time I go in for service. In 3 years, I’ve never had an issue.

On my car, I leave the Chipwerke harness installed and replace the chip with the provided grey plug before I go in for service (to avoid uninstall/reinstall every couple of months). In 2 years, I've never had an issue.

As far as proving it to be true, Rusnak/Westlake Audi in Southern California personally invites us down a couple times a month to install Chipwerke AND Pedal Commander on brand new Audi's they've just sold. They tell their customers about our products, and the non-flagging feature for warranty purposes I've listed above. We get a call, process a payment, and its requested that the products are installed before the customer accepts initial delivery of the vehicle. Techs tried to find a trace of both products on 12 different Audi models, years ranging from 2002 to 2017, and nothing ever came up.

So if I remove the PC, but the dealer denies engine warranty work not because of ECU traces but they see the hashed values are not factory, you'll step in and help me get repairs covered? Or another way to ask - if a dealer does deny doing the work, what do I do next? How does PC the company help me?
 

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So if I remove the PC, but the dealer denies engine warranty work not because of ECU traces but they see the hashed values are not factory, you'll step in and help me get repairs covered? Or another way to ask - if a dealer does deny doing the work, what do I do next? How does PC the company help me?

IF you blow your engine, turbo or something similar, the dealer will indeed look at the data logs in the ECM. However, if you have removed the unit from the truck before the visit for the work, then it is on the dealership to PROVE that you had an aftermarket upgrade on the truck. Period. They cannot legally deny warranty coverage on a vehicle that doesn't present as having aftermarket upgrades. The actual tuning in the ECM does not change, so they cannot say it was custom tuned, etc. I have seen examples of this where a dealership covered the cost of replacing factory turbos that had come apart and the truck had SDP turbo adapters installed and the dealership knew about them. They didn't reinstall them with the new turbos, but they did cover the repair under warranty.

Now, there is something to be said about the validity of the Magnusson Moss act that states they have to actually prove what caused the failure to refuse a claim, so I ask, if you have removed it before the service call, how will they prove their case for voiding the warranty or denying the claim?
 

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then it is on the dealership to PROVE that you had an aftermarket upgrade on the truck. Period. They cannot legally deny warranty coverage on a vehicle that doesn't present as having aftermarket upgrades.

Now, there is something to be said about the validity of the Magnusson Moss act that states they have to actually prove what caused the failure to refuse a claim, so I ask, if you have removed it before the service call, how will they prove their case for voiding the warranty or denying the claim?

This is not how it works in real life - I asked the "lawyer" a similar question in this thread earlier, and he hasn't replied

I mess with all my vehicles, and I've been on the wrong side of Mag Moss

The biggest misconception is this - you can't force a dealer to do the work; once they suspect mods when you're trying to get a cratered piston covered, they will simply say we can't push it through under warranty, the truck has been modified

It is actually up to YOU (not the DEALER) to then hire a lawyer and prove that (a) you didn't do any modifications or (b) your modifications didn't cause the issue needing repair - this easily gets into the THOUSANDS of dollars quickly

If you win, then Mag Moss helps you recoup all your costs and fees, but you have to pay up front first to start litigation

I should add my PSA - I was a normal service dept customer before, but now I make sure to go out of my way to take care of my service manager and techs every time
 

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This is not how it works in real life - I asked the "lawyer" a similar question in this thread earlier, and he hasn't replied

I mess with all my vehicles, and I've been on the wrong side of Mag Moss

The biggest misconception is this - you can't force a dealer to do the work; once they suspect mods when you're trying to get a cratered piston covered, they will simply say we can't push it through under warranty, the truck has been modified

It is actually up to YOU (not the DEALER) to then hire a lawyer and prove that (a) you didn't do any modifications or (b) your modifications didn't cause the issue needing repair - this easily gets into the THOUSANDS of dollars quickly

If you win, then Mag Moss helps you recoup all your costs and fees, but you have to pay up front first to start litigation

I should add my PSA - I was a normal service dept customer before, but now I make sure to go out of my way to take care of my service manager and techs every time

I understand the nature of things in how legal questions like that often play out, but that is not always the case. I have been in the aftermarket with three companies of my own for over ten years now and dealt with similar issues with customers and myself many times. I have had dealerships try to void a customer's warranty for a transfer case failing on a brand new truck because he had installed aftermarket brakes. Some dealership claims are ridiculous and some are at times justifiable. Some dealerships are easier to deal with than others in regard to warranty repairs. I know a dealership close to me that does everything they can to avoid warranty work at all costs while another dealership down the road is just the opposite and will provide warranty coverage any time they can.

Sometimes it is the luck of the draw, sometimes it is the dealership, etc.

That being said, when I make purchases such as these for my vehicles, I also look at the track history of the products themselves and products like them. There are several other products on the market that are similar to this one and we sell those too. We have had issues with them on some vehicles and not on others. But the overall % of issues like trouble codes verses actual issues that cause the need to a visit to the dealership is phenomenally low. Matter of fact, the blown turbo truck running SDP adapters was the only one I know of to date on Gen2's. (Not blaming the adapters either as I doubt they caused the failure) But, to date, I have yet to see or hear about any "engine management system", "Boost fooler" or whatever you want to call it, actually causing a failure like that. I would expect someone running downpipes, intercoolers, turbo upgrades, tuning, etc, etc, etc, to blow an engine if things go wrong, but not this type of mod. Hecek, Banks engineering has been using a similar style of "Fooling" ECM's for YEARS and has so few problems that they are one of the most popular companies out there in the diesel industry.

In the end, we are debating semantics on perceived possible future issues that to date, have not happened in any way. This is just my opinion, but if I made the decision to add modifications to my vehicles based solely on the possibility of future failures or what could go wrong, no one but a Ford dealership would ever work on them and nothing but Ford parts would go on them, etc.

I WILL also add this. If your number one concern is as such, do not mod your truck at all. The ONLY way to truly avoid issues with dealerships in this regard and not always 100% guaranteed that you will avoid the issue, is to leave your truck 100% stock. Period. I have seen Ford dealers void warranty claims due to the offset of stock wheels or because a catback exhaust has been installed (which has no modded performance value since it was catback).
 

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How much horse power is this chipwerke producing? 10? Maybe 15?

I think we all need to see real numbers on this ON A GEN 2 RAPTOR, not the regular 3.5 EB models. Once we see this does anywhere near 50hp+ on a Raptor, I think there will be a high enough demand for this. Otherwise, 87hp on a regular 3.5 EB doesn't mean a whole lot to us with high output model 3.5 EB motors....
 
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