GEN 2 ok - my dealer pic shows tire not mounted properly - those weights!?

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look how many weights in that front wheel alone! :crazy:


btw - I did ask him to balance the wheels before I get there on the 10th - he was going to have them look at it...

seriously can't the factory line up the red dot with the valve stem?

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http://www.tirebusiness.com/article...s-those-color-coded-sidewall-markings-serve-a

Dots, dots everywhere. There are lots of dots in our lives, whether or not we recognize them.

There are techie dots called pixels that make up the images on our computer monitors and television screens. There are those voluptuous dots on that little ``itsy, bitsy, teeny, weenie, yellow polka dot bikini'' that you stared at near the pool or on the beach last weekend.

And there are those paint dots that you see almost every work day on the lower sidewall of new tires. While you may understand the importance of the pixels on your screen and the effect that polka dots on that bikini can have on you, do you know what those dots on new tires mean and how they can impact you?

If you guessed that these paint dots are supposed to be used when mounting tires, you would be right. But these dots can be very confusing since some manufacturers use them while others don't, and some dots are different colors than others. The question you have probably is, ``What do they mean on the tire I am mounting?!'' And that is an excellent question.

A question of balance

If you are staring at paint dots on truck tires, you should know that they were installed to assist you in correcting tire balance and radial runout conditions.

Manufacturers of commercial truck radial tires may apply a variety of colored dots on the lower sidewall for customer or factory purposes. Not all tires have markings and even the paint dots on those tires that do are temporary and can be scuffed off during normal shipping, handling and use. That's why you don't usually see them on used tires.

The dots on new tires that have them are not critical but are intended to guide technicians when positioning the tire on the rim during the mounting process.

Since it is very hard to make a tire that is perfectly balanced, some tire manufacturers apply yellow dots that indicate the tire's light balance point and serve to help you balance the assembly while mounting the tire. The yellow dots should be aligned with the valve stem on both steel and aluminum wheels since this is the wheel's heavy balance point. This will help minimize the amount of weight needed to balance a tire and wheel assembly. So usually, whenever you see a yellow dot, match it up with the valve stem.

This is always true except in cases where a red dot also appears in the lower sidewall. The red dot indicates the high point for both radial runout and radial force variation. As I'm sure you know, not only is it hard for tire manufacturers to make a perfectly balanced tire, it also is very difficult to make a perfectly round tire.

Tires tend to have high spots and low spots. The difference between the high and the low is called radial runout. Radial runout changes the radius of the rotating assembly, causing it to raise and lower the vehicle as it rolls along. That gives the perception that the tire is ``hopping'' or ``bouncing'' down the road and ends up delivering a rough ride to the driver and irregular wear to the tread.

Radial force variation is similar to radial runout and is a result of a heavy or thicker area being manufactured into the tire due to variations in component thickness, placement and overlapping. Radial force variation applies more force against the road at the tire's thicker spot as the tire runs, which causes one sidewall to flex differently than the other. The result is tire/wheel assembly vibration and irregular tread wear.

To avoid or minimize these problems, whenever you see a red spot, match this up with the valve stem-unless you happen to have a steel wheel that has a dimple on the exterior side of the rim area. The dimple indicates the wheels' low spot and is spec'ed by some original equipment manufacturers so that they can match mount tires and wheels installed on new trucks at the factory.

If you see both a red as well as a yellow dot on the tire, the red dot takes priority. An easy way to remember this is the phrase ``Red Rules.'' Ignore the yellow dot and match the red dot to the wheel low point dimple as some vehicle manufacturers do or, if no dimple is marked on the wheel, align the red dot with the valve stem.
 

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Take her to an independent shop with a Hunter road force machine

Strip all the weights and start fresh
 
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Take her to an independent shop with a Hunter road force machine

Strip all the weights and start fresh



Shouldn't the dealer right this? I asked him to have the tech check the wheel balance - we have a 900 mile drive home
 

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I didn't count them, but one of my rear wheels has weights that go about halfway around the inner wheel. All of the wheels have at least half a dozen or so weights. Drives just fine though.
 
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I didn't count them, but one of my rear wheels has weights that go about halfway around the inner wheel. All of the wheels have at least half a dozen or so weights. Drives just fine though.



Normal for truck tires?
 

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Shouldn't the dealer right this? I asked him to have the tech check the wheel balance - we have a 900 mile drive home

Absolutely the dealer should take care of this. You're paying a pretty penny for that truck. It's not a used Kia. That's an awful amount of weights lol
 

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Shouldn't the dealer right this? I asked him to have the tech check the wheel balance - we have a 900 mile drive home

Shouldn't the dealer not put grease prints inside your truck when you take her for an oil change

This is one of those things that if done right, you'll never have to worry about it for years (when you replace tires)

For me, that's worth $100 to someone else that I know will do it right

FYI, every single dealer from Ford to P cars has never done a thorough RF balance for me, it takes longer than "normal" balancing and dealer techs just rush through it
 

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Normal for truck tires?

Maybe, I've never bothered to look at the number of wheels weights before and I only did it this time after reading about everyone else being **** and checking their wheels to count the weights. I noticed there were a whole bunch of them on my rear wheels and then I mostly put it out of my head after I drove the truck and realized it drives as smooth as a luxury car up to at least 100mph (I haven't gone faster yet). I think someone said these particular tires are really hard to balance, but as long as it can be balanced, I don't care all that much.
 
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