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Old 01-13-2015, 02:03 AM   #21 (permalink)
 
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Originally Posted by Black6 View Post
Wrong truck for the Ecoboost...


You do know that Ford already had built a race proven aluminum '14 EB 150 before right Its a '14 body, done in aluminum with Raptor suspension ect








And that one was just the little 2.7 EB






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I have a strong feeling that Ford is simply testing the waters. the Ecoboost V6 has been a guess for a long time, and it helps their economic standings as a manufacturer for EPA regulations... yadda yadda yadda

My thought is that the EB V6 will be a standard option, and they will still have a V8 available. probably not the 5.2L flat plane that is in the GT350, but maybe something along those lines.

not sure why they would drop the 6.2 though. I personally want to see a "eco boost 6.2" it would make the truck that much more "efficient" if that is their concern while providing us with the heart pounding V8 that we all know and love.

I dig the new look, but unless I have the same displacement or larger, I will be sticking with my first generation raptor :)
Yea...... I was thinking the same thing. Rumor has it the sticker price is going to go up on these. No way in hell am I dropping north of $60k on one of these if it has a v6.
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Originally Posted by JB 2014 Raptor SCrew View Post
I was down at JLA Sunday for the Detroit International Auto show pre Press Release dress rehearsal. No badging on the truck anywhere. Hood was never opened Couldn't hear it when it came out and when it drove away so that tells me right there that it definately was an EB.


I driven SEVERAL EB F150s I don't know whats so bad about the EB in this truck (or any F150) IF they would have offered the EB in the Raptor, I would have ordered my '14 with the EB



As Ford the new GT All I can say is WOW. Looks and sounds INSANE Whats not to like about a stock Supercar with a 7spd and 650+HP ??????


That's a beautiful car, but that sound is not wow.
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Wrong truck for the Ecoboost...
Nailed it. I hope Ford sees this.
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I still stand by my opinion that the only thing that really matters is that whatever engine goes in the Raptor needs to also go in the Mustang or GT, otherwise aftermarket support will again be seriously lacking like it is with the current 6.2.


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Originally Posted by JB 2014 Raptor SCrew View Post
You do know that Ford already had built a race proven aluminum '14 EB 150 before right Its a '14 body, done in aluminum with Raptor suspension ect








And that one was just the little 2.7 EB

Ford tested the 3.5L Ecoboost in the desert in very much the same way. When that engine became available to consumers in the F-150, issues popped up for some owners... more owners than you might think. The majority of the issues were related to misfires and hesitant acceleration. You can find owners complaining about these issues on the web. Point is... I don't believe Ford's testing claims as much as I did a few years ago.

My comment about the Raptor being the wrong truck for the Ecoboost is based on my ownership experiences with two Raptors and one Ecoboost FX4. I used to own a 2010 Raptor 6.2 SuperCab and a 2012 FX4 SuperCrew Ecoboost. I picked up the Ecoboost FX4 because I was putting on a lot of miles between job sites, and wanted a reliable, powerful, comfortable, 4WD truck that offered good MPG. I didn't exactly get what I was looking for in the Ecoboost, and sold both of those trucks before buying the 2014 Raptor SuperCrew that I currently drive.

Ford is advertising that the new Raptor will be about 500 pounds lighter than the current gen Raptor. My 2012 Ecoboost FX4 was also about 500 pounds lighter than the current gen Raptor-very close to the advertised weight of the 2017 Raptor. My experiences have taught me a lot about F-150's and made me opinionated. Opinions like:
-3.5 Ecoboost trucks are too reliant on boost and fuel consumption for power because their engines are a little too small.
-3.5 Ecoboost trucks are even more reliant on boost and fuel in 4WD
-3.5 Ecoboost trucks have braking, traction, and stability characteristics that are noticeably different than those of 5.0L and 6.2L F-150's. These characteristics are more pronounced in slippery conditions: in the mud, in the rain, and in the ice and snow. Think... doesn't brake as well, doesn't maintain traction as well, is less stable, etc... even with all terrain or mud tires.
-My 3.5 Ecoboost at times felt like it thought it was a car, and not a 4WD pickup truck-attributed these to tuning issues and a small engine.
-Ecoboost tows alright but I got the feeling that the truck was too reliant on turbo power because it needed a bigger engine. I prefer to tow with a truck that is heavier (for stability) and more powerful (better acceleration).
-4.0L or larger displacement is the sweet spot for trucks this heavy. That 5.0TT would have been great for the Raptor. 3.5 is just a little too small, and just a little too reliant on boost for power.

New Raptor is slated to get a high power version of the 3.5L Ecoboost-different engine, more power... I get it. In my opinion, still too small.

The new Raptor won't be made of carbon fiber like the new Ford GT. Big weight difference. Big aerodynamic difference.

3.5L Ecoboost + 10 speed is smart from a sales perspective. Better MPG, Raptor styling, and enough capability to probably sell a lot of trucks. Many off-road enthusiasts are displeased though-like me.

All this is why I feel that Ford will offer a V-8 for the new Raptor at some point.

EPA regs are coming, but are too far out. Smaller engines, more efficiency and more speeds help now, but it'll be the next Raptor production cycle that really has to deal with these regs-not this one.

Disclaimer: I'm an auto enthusiast, and drive a lot of different vehicles at work. I'm a turbo guy (owned a Skyline), but don't like the 3.5 Ecoboost for the Raptor. I race in my free time, I compete in mud bogs and tough truck. I have spent a lot of time behind the wheel of a Raptor in the deserts of Nevada and California. I'm opinionated, but not a know it all.
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Originally Posted by Black6 View Post
Ford tested the 3.5L Ecoboost in the desert in very much the same way. When that engine became available to consumers in the F-150, issues popped up for some owners... more owners than you might think. The majority of the issues were related to misfires and hesitant acceleration. You can find owners complaining about these issues on the web. Point is... I don't believe Ford's testing claims as much as I did a few years ago.

My comment about the Raptor being the wrong truck for the Ecoboost is based on my ownership experiences with two Raptors and one Ecoboost FX4. I used to own a 2010 Raptor 6.2 SuperCab and a 2012 FX4 SuperCrew Ecoboost. I picked up the Ecoboost FX4 because I was putting on a lot of miles between job sites, and wanted a reliable, powerful, comfortable, 4WD truck that offered good MPG. I didn't exactly get what I was looking for in the Ecoboost, and sold both of those trucks before buying the 2014 Raptor SuperCrew that I currently drive.

Ford is advertising that the new Raptor will be about 500 pounds lighter than the current gen Raptor. My 2012 Ecoboost FX4 was also about 500 pounds lighter than the current gen Raptor-very close to the advertised weight of the 2017 Raptor. My experiences have taught me a lot about F-150's and made me opinionated. Opinions like:
-3.5 Ecoboost trucks are too reliant on boost and fuel consumption for power because their engines are a little too small.
-3.5 Ecoboost trucks are even more reliant on boost and fuel in 4WD
-3.5 Ecoboost trucks have braking, traction, and stability characteristics that are noticeably different than those of 5.0L and 6.2L F-150's. These characteristics are more pronounced in slippery conditions: in the mud, in the rain, and in the ice and snow. Think... doesn't brake as well, doesn't maintain traction as well, is less stable, etc... even with all terrain or mud tires.
-My 3.5 Ecoboost at times felt like it thought it was a car, and not a 4WD pickup truck-attributed these to tuning issues and a small engine.
-Ecoboost tows alright but I got the feeling that the truck was too reliant on turbo power because it needed a bigger engine. I prefer to tow with a truck that is heavier (for stability) and more powerful (better acceleration).
-4.0L or larger displacement is the sweet spot for trucks this heavy. That 5.0TT would have been great for the Raptor. 3.5 is just a little too small, and just a little too reliant on boost for power.

New Raptor is slated to get a high power version of the 3.5L Ecoboost-different engine, more power... I get it. In my opinion, still too small.

The new Raptor won't be made of carbon fiber like the new Ford GT. Big weight difference. Big aerodynamic difference.

3.5L Ecoboost + 10 speed is smart from a sales perspective. Better MPG, Raptor styling, and enough capability to probably sell a lot of trucks. Many off-road enthusiasts are displeased though-like me.

All this is why I feel that Ford will offer a V-8 for the new Raptor at some point.

EPA regs are coming, but are too far out. Smaller engines, more efficiency and more speeds help now, but it'll be the next Raptor production cycle that really has to deal with these regs-not this one.

Disclaimer: I'm an auto enthusiast, and drive a lot of different vehicles at work. I'm a turbo guy (owned a Skyline), but don't like the 3.5 Ecoboost for the Raptor. I race in my free time, I compete in mud bogs and tough truck. I have spent a lot of time behind the wheel of a Raptor in the deserts of Nevada and California. I'm opinionated, but not a know it all.

Thats exactly why this new Raptor looks weird and has that 6cyl. Its to appeal to a larger crowd. Sell more trucks. I hate it.
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Has anyone heard mention of the ecobeast this week?
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Love the overall design.

However, what is the point of mean-looking dual rear exit exhaust when the noise that comes out of that exhaust is going to sound like some rice burner non-sense?

I think most of us would prefer a snarling, big-nuts, free breathing V8, fuel economy be damned. Some people actually feel like that is part of the charm of our trucks; they are a big heavy land pig that pounds the earth into submission rather than glide over the top. Mother nature can get bent. It's not like the MPGs kept Ford from selling every single Raptor that they've made.

As another member here put it lately, driving our trucks across the desert at 100mph should be an assault on the senses.

The TT3.5L is fast, and makes good power, but it's also pretty quiet, and when you do get it up to full honk, it sounds like a Hoover.

Hopefully Ford has a change of heart by the time this thing is ready for production and offers a V8 option. I just wish they had given the 6.2L a little TLC to bring it into the 21st century.


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Originally Posted by lka View Post
Has anyone heard mention of the ecobeast this week?
No sir. Only those:
-commenting that it was trademarked in December
-commenting that it may be for the Raptor or new Ford GT
-marketing aftermarket stickers and badges that say Ecobeast

Nothing definitive, and nothing from Ford that I have seen.
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