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Front lockers available yet? Already got stuck!


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Old 09-12-2017, 07:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Front lockers available yet? Already got stuck!
I know that it's not the crawling champion but you get the benefit of front lockers when you get in trouble is sane and mud especially when the vehicle is on an uneven surface shifting the weight of the truck away from one of the front tires. Sometimes that single tire is your only hope. (I got stuck today in an attempt to clear a large sand barricade diagonally when the truck was almost balancing on its belly with rear tires digging freely in the sand and one front tire almost in the air and the second with good traction but no power sent to it. I was in rock crowing mode so 4x4 Lo with rear diff lock. I had some one tow me back to get out).

So should I have used another mode? I still think front lockers would be the best solution. ARB makes air lockers but I'm not sure if they have any for the Gen 2.




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I think you just needed more momentum (more send it brah), but I'll need to see a photo before making an unvarnished assessment.

I'm no dunerunner but can't most knife edge/high centers be solved with some more speed going in? I.e. Lack of speed is a factor?

And of course I bet a TORSEN up front would have done the trick if the wheels were still weighted.

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Originally Posted by AJ-Raptor View Post
I got stuck today in an attempt to clear a large sand barricade diagonally when the truck was almost balancing on its belly with rear tires digging freely in the sand and one front tire almost in the air and the second with good traction but no power sent to it. I was in rock crowing mode so 4x4 Lo with rear diff lock.

So should I have used another mode? I still think front lockers would be the best solution. ARB makes air lockers but I'm not sure if they have any for the Gen 2.
Without more info I can't say for sure what you did right or wrong in the sand. Did you air down your tires?

There's tons of information on this site and online regarding how to wheel in soft sand. It usually involves:

1. Airing down your tires
2. Keeping forward momentum


In regard to Off Road mode you may want to do some more reading.

per Ford:

Mud/Sand
For tackling trails and other off-road treks, the mud/sand setting is your best friend. 4 High and the electronic locking differential automatically engage for driving over loose or soft ground, and optimized AdvanceTrac settings help Raptor keep its footing. Steering is set to comfort, which makes it easier to navigate along tight trails and over obstacles.

In layman's terms...

Mud/Sand
The Raptor’s configuration for low traction, high-power situations puts the throttle at a moderately aggressive setting between Normal and Sport. Shifting is similar to Sport where gears are held a little longer, but will shift up if the system detects you can carry on without the power of high-revs.

Traction control is essentially off to let the tires freewheel a bit, since you don’t want to lose power just as you’re climbing out of a sand bog, but stability control will still be in place.

Steering is set to “comfort,” which provides the most assistance. That means the front wheels will turn harder with less driver input.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...-need-roa.html

Check this out too: four wheeling in sand tips - Google Search



It'll help if you can identify each of these symbols - use the Ford link above for a brief explanation of each:


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I think you just needed more momentum (more send it brah), but I'll need to see a photo before making an unvarnished assessment.

I'm no dunerunner but can't most knife edge/high centers be solved with some more speed going in? I.e. Lack of speed is a factor?

And of course I bet a TORSEN up front would have done the trick if the wheels were still weighted.
You are right about keeping momentum. It was not pure sand but a bulldozed earth to make a barricade so it's not soft and I didn't want to hit it hard as well as the other side was pretty short and steep and I didn't want to carry a speed I can't control on decent as this will cause me to face plant the truck.

It was a barricade beside a road so no I didn't air down the tires. I was really just goofing around.

Nevertheless, a front locker is very useful in many situation whether it was my mistake this time around or not.

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Without more info I can't say for sure what you did right or wrong in the sand. Did you air down your tires?

There's tons of information on this site and online regarding how to wheel in soft sand. It usually involves:

1. Airing down your tires
2. Keeping forward momentum


In regard to Off Road mode you may want to do some more reading.

per Ford:

Mud/Sand
For tackling trails and other off-road treks, the mud/sand setting is your best friend. 4 High and the electronic locking differential automatically engage for driving over loose or soft ground, and optimized AdvanceTrac settings help Raptor keep its footing. Steering is set to comfort, which makes it easier to navigate along tight trails and over obstacles.

In layman's terms...

Mud/Sand
The Raptor’s configuration for low traction, high-power situations puts the throttle at a moderately aggressive setting between Normal and Sport. Shifting is similar to Sport where gears are held a little longer, but will shift up if the system detects you can carry on without the power of high-revs.

Traction control is essentially off to let the tires freewheel a bit, since you don’t want to lose power just as you’re climbing out of a sand bog, but stability control will still be in place.

Steering is set to “comfort,” which provides the most assistance. That means the front wheels will turn harder with less driver input.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...-need-roa.html

Check this out too: four wheeling in sand tips - Google Search



It'll help if you can identify each of these symbols - use the Ford link above for a brief explanation of each:
I'm used to driving on sand and I know that you air down tires and keep momentum. This was a little excursion off the highway so I didn't do it properly. The truck would have cleared it if I had gone more diagonally and with more momentum. I also think that it would've cleared it if it had front lockers with the same speed and angle I took.

Front lockers just give you more options. Otherwise, even a RWD car can do pretty good on loose sand but will require a lot more driving and you'd be risking it.
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You're welcome. Good to see that you have all the answers to why you got stuck in sand. Most issues off road "stucks" are not related to equipment but the person holding the wheel and pushing on the pedals. Your Raptor needs more than a front locker.

PS: You said you know "the Raptor is not the crawling champion." The Raptor is extremely capable off road including crawling. If it fits and has underclearance it will go wherever you want it to.

Like all vehicles it's limitations are based on its size, clearance and who's behind the wheel.


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Do you have the Torsen front differential?
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Originally Posted by AJ-Raptor View Post
I know that it's not the crawling champion but you get the benefit of front lockers when you get in trouble is sane and mud especially when the vehicle is on an uneven surface shifting the weight of the truck away from one of the front tires. Sometimes that single tire is your only hope. (I got stuck today in an attempt to clear a large sand barricade diagonally when the truck was almost balancing on its belly with rear tires digging freely in the sand and one front tire almost in the air and the second with good traction but no power sent to it. I was in rock crowing mode so 4x4 Lo with rear diff lock. I had some one tow me back to get out).

So should I have used another mode? I still think front lockers would be the best solution. ARB makes air lockers but I'm not sure if they have any for the Gen 2.
Sounds like you didn't get the Torsen front end.


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pretty sure that 4.10 Front w/torsen Differential is only included with 802a package

correction - see below (can be added as option)

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Torsen is part of 802a but I believe it is also a stand alone option if so desired.
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Originally Posted by jabroni619 View Post
Torsen is part of 802a but I believe it is also a stand alone option if so desired.
That is correct.


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